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cars Fucking Old People
by irni
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( on Jul 16, 2003 10:58:44 PM

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No this isn't a guide on having sex with gramma. This is a rant on the state of the elderly and the fact that they can have a license even after they start drooling and walking with their head at the same level as their crotch.
From CNN: "An 86-year-old man, who police said mistook the gas pedal in his car for the brake, plowed through a crowded farmers market in Santa Monica, California, killing eight people and injuring at least 55. The dead included a 3-year-old girl and 15 of the injured were in critical condition."

We see stories like this all the time. We, however, never see any moves to change the state of licensing. I believe that people over the age of 70 should be retested to evaluate their reaction time and awareness. Then they should be tested every 5 years or so to make sure they are still ok to drive.

I understand there is the AARP lobby and others who want to make sure nothing like this ever happens because if we take away the elderly's licenses then we take away their mobility and their independence. I am sorry. But 8 people are dead because of this one man's inability to figure out if he was moving or not and not being able to have the reaction time to correct the problem if he did realize. Something needs to be done. God Fucking Damnit!

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    preaching to the choir
    by bean
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    on Jul 16, 2003 11:22:17 PM
    as someone who works with the elderly often, i completely agree. take an unnecessary danger off the streets. part of growing old is accomidating that fact. taxis exist, group transportation exist, friends and family exist. there is also aid out there for such transportation. especially for medical needs.
    everyday we watch the elderly drive and park in front of the office. i can't believe there hasnt been an accident. i love the ones that take about 15min to back out of a space. i highly agree that driving is a privledge, not a right. i think the elderly should be tested more often as well as the general public. half the ass clowns out there have no idea what to do when an ambulance or fire engine has their lights a blaze.
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      I absolutely agree
      by k2mike82
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      on Jul 17, 2003 12:44:29 AM
      I feel everyone should be tested a frequent intervals, say 5 years... like in NY where you have to go to DMV to renew your license anyway, just add a written and road test. Sure it takes time and money, but the gov is taxing the hell out of us anyway. Furthurmore, people over 65 should be relegated to Public transportation.
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        what scares me
        by bean
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        on Jul 17, 2003 12:48:18 AM
        in arizona the licenses are one good per lifetime. you dont need to renew or anything like that. frightening. and they wonder why the most accidents happen here.
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          What scares me
          by Wig
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          on Jul 17, 2003 04:42:01 AM
          is the old bastard that literally ran me off the road after turning into the far lane of a divided road, thinking it was a two way street. He then proceeded give me a look like it was my fault he was driving on the wrong side of the road and turn right at a roundabout from the wrong lane.
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            Oh were you in that lane?? Pardon me...
            by Sherbert
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            on Jul 20, 2006 08:06:00 PM
            Or the old guy that ran me off the road on I-65 in Mississippi doing 80 mph because he "didn't see me or the guy behind me" and I ended up doing 360's down the median and knocked out a few windshields because the stinking gravel on the side of the road went flying too!! How do you not see a big silver car that the sun is reflecting off of?? All the cops did was look at me like a retard and pull my car out of the middle of the median. I think they were mad I stopped the car from going into the other lane of traffic and killing a few innocent motorists...
            Or there's my ex-father-in-law who took out a doctors office for the very reason the original post was made...he hit the gas instead of the break. I'm starting to get nervous when I see old people driving, if they aren't going too freaking slow they're running you off the road or into you!!
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          by rababa(
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          on Jul 17, 2003 11:17:28 AM
          but in germany licenses are also for life and people there drive at 250 km/h on the autobahn - it is still one of the safest places to drive.
          I am not sure about age statistics there though...

          Respect The Elderly! - it is your future! :)
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    5 years?
    by kraken
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    on Jul 16, 2003 11:39:06 PM
    no damn way. when you're past 70, one year can mean the difference between a coherent human and a drooling vacant shell of a human.

    I vote for yearly tests after 70.
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    Yay for being old
    by GMFTatsujin(Ask and ye shall receive)
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    on Jul 17, 2003 10:21:25 AM
    Old people, despite their best intentions or how much we may love them, are basically in the process of becoming less and less competent at simple tasks. Then they become incompetent at living, and they die.

    Of COURSE your driving acumen should be tested more often. That should include everything from vision testing to being able to tell your right from your left when the radio is playing. I recently had to take a driver's safety course for work, and they had to warn us about driving in the same stream as the elderly. From the age of ~55 onward, incidents of traffic accidents *skyrocket*. You just don't have the same kind of awareness, reaction, and control over your body at that age. Well, maybe you do for running the vacuum cleaner or switching the TV to Wheel of Fortune, but not when it comes to piloting an easily-crushed, turbocharged aluminum can at greater-than-walking speeds down a crowded road. Or sidewalk.

    So why don't licenses get cancelled at a given age? Why aren't the elderly legally required to test themselves more often?

    Because there's more old people around than ever before, and weirdly, they vote more consitantly and often than the younger generations. No lawmaker is going to alienate that kind of constituency. That's their freedom and self-determination you're talking about. They didn't work 9-5 for 30 years just to take the *bus*, young man. Hell, if you start talking about age and driving, you're one step away from lighting their houses on fire with a bonfire of their social security checks while cracking their hips in half with a sledgehammer.
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      yes but
      by bean
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      on Jul 17, 2003 10:48:00 AM
      you would be amazed at the technology of hip replacement now adays! i cant wait to get myself one of those shiny bionics wonders!
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      Looking at reality
      by Gribble
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      on Jul 17, 2003 02:15:06 PM
      Transportation is a real problem for the elderly who can't drive, and studies show that once the freedom to get around is lost, people's health declines rapidly. I'm not at all surprised that people fight to be able to continue to drive.

      If there were really viable transportation plans, the point would be much less problematic. If, for example, we had a fleet of old people taxis where they could put inthe same amount of money each month that they used to spend on insurance and be able to call and get free rides when they needed them, that would help immensely.

      My grandmother is losing her sight at an alarming pace, macular degeneration in one eye and a cataract in the other. She's recently given the wheel over to my grandfather, who's hated to drive since they were married fifty three years ago. Neither of them like this arrangement but they are stuck with it because in order to do her grocery shopping by taxi, she has to wait three hours for the taxi to show up. That's not come back three hours later, that's hang out and wait for them because they might show up at anytime and if she's not there, she loses her ride. There are no busses in her neighboorhood, and even if ther were, it's a hellava lot harder for her to walk a block than you could imagine.

      I'm all for taking thier cars away when they can't drive well anymore. I begged my grandma to stop driving for years. But there need to be real solutions for their transportation needs, or they will jsut moulder in thier houses until they are found dead, and they know it.
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        Then leave the middle of fucking nowhere
        by Pxtl(
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        on Jul 18, 2003 10:35:42 AM
        All these old people insist on moving to some little deep-burb/rural town by the highway, not considering what will happen when they lose their driving privilage. I'm sorry, but I have to live without a car, and its not killing me (and I telecommute, so I technically have to leave the house only as much as an old person). First thing off, I realized I had to find a place in the city core, so I'd have bus access to everywhere - and yes, it costs a little more for a place a little shittier. But if you are going to live without a car _you have to live in the city_. There should be lots of nice condos on the bus routes full of friendly old people. But nooooo, everybody's gotta have a fucking mansion with an acre lot in the quiet deep burbs.

        If they actually lived in a city, they'd have transportation galore (and it would actually be worthwile for the taxis to come for them - really, put yourself in the taxi driver's place - you've got a 20 minute unpaid drive for someone who may or may not even be there when you arrive, and could just want a lift down the street).

        Modern suburban development is a monster of poor planning - unservable, space innefient, unfeasible for public transportation, and egotistical. If old people want to support this mentality, then its their own fucking fault when it kills them.
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          Did you just tell me that my grandma deserves to die because she doesn't live where you would?
          by Gribble
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          on Jul 18, 2003 04:34:58 PM
          They've lived there for fifty years. They bought it when it was a little bungalow and they have put thousands and thousands of dollars and thousands and thousands of hours of work into it. Fifty years they've put into that house. It's not in the middle of deep burbs, it's four blocks away from the bus stop. That's two blocks too far for my grandma to walk.

          You think we should up root all the elderly people in this country and move them to the middle of some strange city? What kind of dumbshit asshole are you? Do you have any idea the statistics on predatory crimes against the elderly in large cities? How about I skull-fuck your grandma to death?

          Once again, I re-iterate: I don't think that people who have passed the point of good driving should drive. You all know how I feel about road-rage assholes and unsafe drivers. Nevertheless, there have to be viable transportation alternatives, or these people will rot away in thier little houses and die lonely, sad deaths. Acting as if getting old is thier fault is not going to help.
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            She's an exception
            by Pxtl(
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            on Jul 18, 2003 10:11:12 PM
            Well, then your grandmother is an exception, having already lived in that home for fifty years. I know oodles of retirees that move out to nowhere after having lived in the city their whole lives. They put themselves in that position. And any respectable city will have condos or apartments on the major busroutes that arent an urban hellhole. I had to make accomodations for a carless lifestyle, I don't see why other people should go out of their way to move into a car-requiring environment.
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              So you assume
              by Gribble
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              on Jul 19, 2003 01:52:58 AM
              that because you know old people who move that they all are like that.

              Way to go, genius.

              Truth ios, I'll bet statistically, old people have lived in thier houses way longer than we have.

              I have to go out of my way to live in a carless environment. What's your fucking point?
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                I know that this thread has been dead for a long time...
                by mythandros(Suck a Fuck)
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                on Jul 20, 2006 10:17:10 AM
                ...but Jesus H. Christ in a mumu, did you read the fucking article, Gribble? An old man killed a shit load of people and permanently maimed a bunch of others because he was old. No one's driving privileges are worth more than a human life. I can't even believe you're defending this kind of action by the elderly. We don't let children drive cars yet the elderly who are barely as capable as children are allowed to drive wherever and whenever they want -- and they kill people. I'm not saying hunt down every person who is 55+ and take a way their car. I'm saying that increased rates of testing are necessary for old people. If they fail the test, they don't get to drive. Furthermore driving without a license after it has been revoked due to age should be classified as a felony.
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      You wrote down my thoughts
      by The Gaborg(Sidekick in my own life)
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      on Jul 6, 2007 01:28:23 AM
      Word for word.
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    while I agree
    by wednesday
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    on Jul 17, 2003 11:02:08 AM
    that people ought to be tested on their driving skill every couple of years, there's no guarantee that testing would have helped in this case. The gentleman in question could have been just driving along nicely when BAM! he had a stroke or a seizure and lost control of his motor skills. Unfortunate for him and tragic for the people at the market, testing probably wouldn't have prevented this.
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    More often!
    by ohmyfuckingod(
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    on Jul 21, 2003 12:43:25 PM
    The AAA or AARP or somebody has a voluntary (wtf, should be mandatory) monthly driving class for seniors. There should be federal law that requires all seniors to be retested every month, because they are fine one day and out of control the next. There's so many shitty old drives who don't hit people but are still swerving all over the road, going 5 MPH on a 40 MPH road, and generally fucking with other drivers. One of my senior relatives got a renewal license in the mail, no restest, nothing! It's BULL SHIT COCK!
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    by cxreg(
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    on Jul 22, 2003 06:50:40 PM
    You may not have heard, that not only has the number of people rendered lifeless by this fuckwit been upgraded to 10, but now they think he was fleeing the scene of a hit and run when he ran into all those people. Good job, grampa!
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      by irni(
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      on Jul 23, 2003 06:52:53 AM
      They have video of the guy doing the same sort of thing a year or so before that. He was going to a party or wedding or some event and ran up in the yard of the place he was going with that same buick. He went over a small brick wall with it. The people video taping this were laughing and the whole family seemed to think it was funny.. just glad their gramps was ok.... not thinking to question his future driving ability. Then he does it again and kills a bunch of people. Fun Fun Fun.
      I hope they fry him nice and slow.

      Update: I found a link to that story but it has no video unfortunately.
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    Damned crappy drivers.....
    by Laith(TheNewLordRahl@
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    on Jul 23, 2003 01:11:06 AM
    I firmly believe that all people over the age of 70 should have to take a drivers test once a year, or run the risk of having their liscense revoked. I've been hit by cars three times in my almost non-existent lifespan. Two of these automobiles were driven by the elderly. on the first occasion, I was in front of my driveway talking to some friends who had stopped by to blather at me when out of nowhere, a lady comes around the corner at about 25 MPH and strikes me square in the bum. I flipped onto her hood and she hit the brakes and sent me flying into an oleander bush. I broke four ribs and punctured a lung. I was rushed to the Emergency room for an immediate surgery. i still have scars. That was 2 years ago. I think the elderly should prove their usefullness in the piloting of a vehicle before they are allowed back onto the streets.
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    Fucking old people vs fucking stupid young people crybaby
    by iowaherbalist(
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    on Jul 20, 2006 11:25:57 PM
    Maybe you think you're getting younger every year, or that you'll never be old. I'm sure when you hit that ancient age of 60, you'll voluntarily give up your license because you'll know you're "too old to drive." Give me a fucking break. And what's this crappola about most accidents being caused by old drivers? Uh, that must be why the cost of insurance for young drivers is quadruple the cost for old drivers. (Those silly insurance companies never get it right, do they?) Get over that youthful better driver arrogance Bud, I can tell you what's around the corner, and it ain't the fountain of youth.
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      by sleestack
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      on Jul 21, 2006 12:17:46 AM

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      by mythandros(Suck a Fuck)
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      on Jul 21, 2006 05:53:39 PM
      No reasonable person is going to suggest that old people should know when they're becoming senile. I can well imagine that the nature of the beast precludes one from being able to self-diagnose reduced driving competence. Rather, what we need is an increased frequency of mandatory testing for the elderly. Everyone knows that as a person grows older, they become generally less capable. The body grows old and begins to deteriorate. In light of this inexorable fact, it should be plainly evident that the failure to seek out those who are succumbing to old age borders on criminal negligence on the part of the DMV. I mean, we don't allow teens to have their license until they have demonstrated some level of competence. Why then is it acceptable to turn a blind eye to the incompetence of the aged?

      Here's my challenge to you: without refrencing the "golden rule", validate the deliverance of permission to rocket 2 tons of steel and fiberglass down our highways into the hands of someone who no longer posesses sufficient driving ability. I don't think you can do it without invoking something emotional like, "well, you wouldn't want to lose your license when you get older." That's not the god damned point. The god damned point is that anyone who cannot assert control over a motor vehicle has no business operating one. End of story.

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      Sounds like...
      by bean
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      on Jul 21, 2006 07:30:39 PM
      ... someone is very angry they are old.
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    Thank you IRNI
    by zaxon(huk~)
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    on Aug 2, 2009 06:40:44 PM
    For all the years of fantastic HTGH's this story brought in.
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